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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 19, 2019 12:26:59 GMT -5
Son has a game this morning on grass and now we are on turf. Is there a specific number in difference of temperature increase between grass and turf becausethis feels like night and day?
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Post by rifle on May 19, 2019 13:00:25 GMT -5
Don’t know, but teams “fortunate” enough to play next week are going to be in danger. 99 degree air temp.. amplified by black rubber bits... seems like a bad idea.
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Post by putmeincoach on May 19, 2019 13:11:15 GMT -5
Not sure the difference but State Cup needs to call Columbus and see about those grass fields! 1 and 3 PM games will be brutal with turf temps over 120
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 19, 2019 15:01:27 GMT -5
Outdoor turf is typically 10-20 degrees hotter than the outdoor temperature
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2019 15:04:43 GMT -5
Outdoor turf is typically 10-20 degrees hotter than the outdoor temperature Worse. My husband used an infrared thermometer to check turf temperature a few years ago in July. It was 140 degrees. Now the air temp above the turf might be 10-20 degrees different but the surface temp is hot enough to burn. We occasionally train with our kids out at a turf field. If you stand in one place for more then 5 minutes your feet will get hot enough to hurt. Goalkeepers may need an extra layer of socks to keep the heat off of their feet.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 19, 2019 16:25:12 GMT -5
Outdoor turf is typically 10-20 degrees hotter than the outdoor temperature I have seen turf temperatures get so hot at Silverbacks that they had to turn on the sprinklers. This was only after players complained that their feet were burning through their cleats... Not to mention the smell from the rubber pellets. Other countries use other materials (such as coconut shell) that do not absorb as much heat. I would love to see that here. (actually I would love to see turf disappear completely)
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Post by Keeper on May 19, 2019 17:33:18 GMT -5
Typically the temp of the turf is 50-100° hotter then the air temp so again for everyone that whines about Columbus have fun with melted cleats next weekend.
I know Gwinnett County has mandatory sprinklers installed on all their turf fields but what about Forsyth???
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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 19, 2019 21:24:15 GMT -5
Wow!!! My sons team was pouring water on their shoes today to cool their feet. I understand the benefits from an eco standpoint and have played on turf for years in the warm months but figured I would ask. Very insightful and scary at the same time. ha ha.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 20, 2019 14:41:33 GMT -5
It's worse than anyone above is estimating. I believe this is Fowler
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Post by soccerloafer on May 20, 2019 14:56:57 GMT -5
During one of my Saturday afternoon games, a kid went down for a slide tackle and didn't come back up. There was a puff of smoke, a quick cry, and it was over. He turned into a big strip of bacon, which we sold at the concession stand as a fundraiser.
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Post by blootooth on May 20, 2019 15:09:23 GMT -5
It's worse than anyone above is estimating. I believe this is Fowler
EEK! I feel like we’re asking these kids to touch a hot stove, and see how long they can hold it there. No one in their right mind would do that, but we’re doing this. How hot is too hot? What would be a temperature where they would say enough and call it off? Especially when dealing with kids. It seems there are perameters for safety with storms (thunder/lightening) and Cold (freezing temps). Are there safety perameters for heat? And heat on turf?
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Post by rifle on May 20, 2019 16:13:16 GMT -5
Don’t bother to ask the US soccer federation. You know the jokers who voted to hold the WC in Qatar.
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Post by crossbar on May 20, 2019 16:17:50 GMT -5
My oldest son played in an August tourney in birmingham, AL a few years ago. Finals were played in the late afternoon on turf. It was so hot on their feet that they couldn’t stand still, and the boys on the bench had to rest their feet on a ball because it was too hot to leave them on the ground.
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Post by blootooth on May 20, 2019 22:40:47 GMT -5
WSB just reported that this weekend’s temperatures are expected to tie or break a 1914 record. So this is more than a little hot weather. This is 100 year oppressive record breaking heat, on Turf.
It Seems a bit dangerous to me. We would never play in record breaking freezing temps. Worryisome that there is no cut off safety precaution for heat.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 20, 2019 22:48:43 GMT -5
My oldest son played in an August tourney in birmingham, AL a few years ago. Finals were played in the late afternoon on turf. It was so hot on their feet that they couldn’t stand still, and the boys on the bench had to rest their feet on a ball because it was too hot to leave them on the ground.
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Post by girlsoccer on May 21, 2019 7:47:36 GMT -5
I’m actually really worried about the heat this weekend. It is not a good idea to have these kids playing in that kind of heat even on grass and just that much worse on turf. Poor GA soccer can’t win for losing. Moved games to all turf because of complaints about rainouts and now a record-breaking heat wave and everyone is mad they are on turf. It’s like the big man upstairs is working against them 😂
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 21, 2019 8:40:07 GMT -5
My oldest son played in an August tourney in birmingham, AL a few years ago. Finals were played in the late afternoon on turf. It was so hot on their feet that they couldn’t stand still, and the boys on the bench had to rest their feet on a ball because it was too hot to leave them on the ground. I was at that tourney with my daughter! He's not exaggerating... hottest I've ever seen it. Temperature was 103-105 degrees, off the turf. We had a players shoe start to melt, and blisters. Everyone was shocked that they kept it going. Btw, I heard that day that there is a maximum temp before canceling, but they exceeded it and played anyway.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 21, 2019 9:45:13 GMT -5
Supposedly some of the newer turf is better about being cool.. haven't tested it yet.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 21, 2019 10:03:15 GMT -5
Supposedly some of the newer turf is better about being cool.. haven't tested it yet. Some of the newer installations include turf cooling systems (evaporative cooling pipes under the turf) to address the known heat issues. However these are usually installed in multi-million dollar sports venues, and not public parks. NOTE: None of the solutions work very well. IMO turf is a short-sighted solution for Clubs that are trying to save money on irrigation / mowing / draining / painting natural grass fields.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 21, 2019 10:27:56 GMT -5
Supposedly some of the newer turf is better about being cool.. haven't tested it yet. Some of the newer installations include turf cooling systems (evaporative cooling pipes under the turf) to address the known heat issues. However these are usually installed in multi-million dollar sports venues, and not public parks. NOTE: None of the solutions work very well. IMO turf is a short-sighted solution for Clubs that are trying to save money on irrigation / mowing / draining / painting natural grass fields. agree - go look at ga soccer park, some of the best fields in the southeast. but -- given all the rain we have, the turf fields are a must if you want your kids to train and play games on the weekend. Can't have it both ways -- have grass, and your kids would miss 1/2 the spring season due to rainouts. But dang ga soccer parks grass fields are nice!
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 21, 2019 10:35:39 GMT -5
Some of the newer installations include turf cooling systems (evaporative cooling pipes under the turf) to address the known heat issues. However these are usually installed in multi-million dollar sports venues, and not public parks. NOTE: None of the solutions work very well. IMO turf is a short-sighted solution for Clubs that are trying to save money on irrigation / mowing / draining / painting natural grass fields. agree - go look at ga soccer park, some of the best fields in the southeast. but -- given all the rain we have, the turf fields are a must if you want your kids to train and play games on the weekend. Can't have it both ways -- have grass, and your kids would miss 1/2 the spring season due to rainouts. But dang ga soccer parks grass fields are nice! Agreed. Spring rain ruins tournaments ... it's better to play on turf than to not play, but I wish clubs used Turf as a backup plan, instead of a primary option (Fowler Park recently turfed every grass field ). Matt Park is completely tur-f'ed... Is it just Forsyth?
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Post by wannabegreat on May 21, 2019 11:27:20 GMT -5
Not to add to the heat concerns of turf but turf burn if not cleaned and cared for, or even repeatedly reopened and reinjured in my kids case can lead to picking up bacterial infections like impetigo bc NO ONE KNOWS what's been on that turf, it's not like you can sanitize it. We know several kids that have ended up in the same boat. I now carry Clorox anywhere spray and spray my kid down if not going straight home to a hot shower. Over the top, maybe, but not dealing with that again.
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Post by EastATL on May 21, 2019 11:55:24 GMT -5
Maybe State Cup was better off in Columbus after all... Everyone was so hell bent on getting it moved out of Columbus without realizing that there isn't another complex in the state (excluding NMCP) that can host the tournament. Everybody was clamoring for turf fields but forgot that this Georgia in May. Average temperatures for Memorial Day weekend are over 85 degrees. Add in the fact that its turf fields and that temperature rises significantly. Yes, Columbus was absolute hell when it comes to taking advantage of people by overcharging for rooms, but it was still a better overall experience. Now, it just feels like a regular tournament.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 21, 2019 11:59:12 GMT -5
Maybe State Cup was better off in Columbus after all... Everyone was so hell bent on getting it moved out of Columbus without realizing that there isn't another complex in the state (excluding NMCP) that can host the tournament. Everybody was clamoring for turf fields but forgot that this Georgia in May. Average temperatures for Memorial Day weekend are over 85 degrees. Add in the fact that its turf fields and that temperature rises significantly. Yes, Columbus was absolute hell when it comes to taking advantage of people by overcharging for rooms, but it was still a better overall experience. Now, it just feels like a regular tournament. Pretty sure I'd still rather burn myself than have to go to Cbus.. so there's that.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 21, 2019 12:23:13 GMT -5
Maybe State Cup was better off in Columbus after all... Everyone was so hell bent on getting it moved out of Columbus without realizing that there isn't another complex in the state (excluding NMCP) that can host the tournament. Everybody was clamoring for turf fields but forgot that this Georgia in May. Average temperatures for Memorial Day weekend are over 85 degrees. Add in the fact that its turf fields and that temperature rises significantly. Yes, Columbus was absolute hell when it comes to taking advantage of people by overcharging for rooms, but it was still a better overall experience. Now, it just feels like a regular tournament. Pretty sure I'd still rather burn myself than have to go to Cbus.. so there's that. Agreed! Did Columbus 4 years and its crazy hot at the armpit of GA. I couldn't be happier that its here. I rather the heat here than there. Its one game , if you can't handle it, then stay home.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 21, 2019 12:27:10 GMT -5
agree - go look at ga soccer park, some of the best fields in the southeast. but -- given all the rain we have, the turf fields are a must if you want your kids to train and play games on the weekend. Can't have it both ways -- have grass, and your kids would miss 1/2 the spring season due to rainouts. But dang ga soccer parks grass fields are nice! Agreed. Spring rain ruins tournaments ... it's better to play on turf than to not play, but I wish clubs used Turf as a backup plan, instead of a primary option (Fowler Park recently turfed every grass field ). Matt Park is completely tur-f'ed... Is it just Forsyth? The other fields at Fowler that were not turf until recently were hazards. Holes everywhere, beat up, uneven, ankle breaking fields. Coaches would be very upset if their teams were assigned to those fields. UFA did not even use the fields in the fall because they stunk. Years ago we played games on those fields when we were at a different club and the fields were entirely dirt, no grass at all. Turfing the upper fields was awesome for UFA. That being said it would be nice to have WELL MAINTAINED grass fields to play on somewhere.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 21, 2019 12:29:29 GMT -5
Worst part about columbus was the time between games -- miserable!!! Unless we had games at 8:00 am every day (which we did one year), we drove back n forth every day.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 21, 2019 12:29:54 GMT -5
Agreed. Spring rain ruins tournaments ... it's better to play on turf than to not play, but I wish clubs used Turf as a backup plan, instead of a primary option (Fowler Park recently turfed every grass field ). Matt Park is completely tur-f'ed... Is it just Forsyth? The other fields at Fowler that were not turf until recently were hazards. Holes everywhere, beat up, uneven, ankle breaking fields. Coaches would be very upset if their teams were assigned to those fields. UFA did not even use the fields in the fall because they stunk. Years ago we played games on those fields when we were at a different club and the fields were entirely dirt, no grass at all. Turfing the upper fields was awesome for UFA. That being said it would be nice to have WELL MAINTAINED grass fields to play on somewhere. South Fields were very nice this weekend. Gaucho has done a good job with them
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 21, 2019 12:54:12 GMT -5
Pretty sure I'd still rather burn myself than have to go to Cbus.. so there's that. Agreed! Did Columbus 4 years and its crazy hot at the armpit of GA. I couldn't be happier that its here. I rather the heat here than there. Its one game , if you can't handle it, then stay home. when we did the Birmingham tourney it was two games in one day, and it was dangerous. Even one game is bad... I dont know if you've experienced it, but it was registering at 135-140 degrees on the actual field... so saying, suck it up, doesn't make it okay.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 21, 2019 12:55:42 GMT -5
Agreed! Did Columbus 4 years and its crazy hot at the armpit of GA. I couldn't be happier that its here. I rather the heat here than there. Its one game , if you can't handle it, then stay home. when we did the Birmingham tourney it was two games in one day, and it was dangerous. Even one game is bad... I dont know if you've experienced it, but it was registering at 135-140 degrees on the actual field... so saying, suck it up, doesn't make it okay. And you complaining won't make a difference either. So if its too hot for you, then stay home
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